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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.05.09 18:56:00 -
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And when do you propose to actually balance FW and will you reset everything at that time as well?
Fun facts:
- Amarr has 20 (handful of deadends with nothing in them) systems vs. ~35 on Shakorite side.
- Amarr FW space is a big-ass donut, takes just a few minutes to reach any system. Shakorite side has numerous bottlenecks and it takes 15-20 minutes to reach the deepest systems (from Amarr space).
- Shakorites can cap ALL size plexes with a single frigate, Amarr needs gangs of increasing sizes (as intended) unless speed tanking *spit*.
Combined with the insanely farm-able LP for plexes you end up with a massive increase in plexing activity on the Shakorite side, I fully expect a complete Amarr collapse (ie. all systems under Shakors boot-heel) within 4-5 weeks simply due to the fact that it is utterly impossible to 'compete' without having 4-5 times the number of pilots to make up for the difference in ease-of-plexing.
PS: Thank you for introducing the PLEX system all those years ago, if I had paid you anything but my time since then I would probably do unspeakable things to my computer now out of hate/frustration for being a fool and being backstabbed.
'Nuff said. Have a ton of ships to move to border systems, so gotta run. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
82
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:04:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Veshta Yoshida wrote:- Shakorites can cap ALL size plexes with a single frigate, Amarr needs gangs of increasing sizes (as intended) unless speed tanking *spit*. Exactly what frigate do you have in mind that can deal with neuts and tracking disruption? Only thing that comes to mind are bombers, and they do not deal well with frigate spawns at all.
For one (cheapest, so often used) AB Rifter can tracking-/speedtank all plexes .. have seen them tracking-/speedtank MINORS with full spawns for Goddess sake.
NPC/Faction balance are borked and SHOULD have been addressed ages ago and certainly well before any of this crap. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.05.10 12:48:00 -
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Since you apparently "forgot" to include a mechanism that would allow the much vaunted pendulum to swing back once a given militia has been knocked out (any one with half a brain can see its coming with these changes) how about this:
- Mech. Engineering available in the stores for the two militias who fares the worst .. ONLY.
- LP store provides the planned discount and surcharge dependent on warzone control, for all items except datacores.
- LP store discount/surcharge is reversed and doubled (to account for "winners" getting more LP for everything to begin with) for datacores.
That might be enough to balance the scales a bit, probably not enough though but since you have decided you gut FW completely you should have no problems prolonging the agony. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:11:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:...Once more for those who can't read/think, but without adding anything of value...
Errrm. Since you made no mention of I take it the complete eradication of the Amarr militia is a design goal?
Caldari will muddle through, they have the bodies and incentives will make them come out to die plex, but even if Amarr was somehow able to field plexing numbers equal to that of the Shakorites the ease with which they can plex necessitates a 4:1 ratio (low estimate) just to keep up ... you should seriously consider bringing NPC balance back on the table for the initial release or scrapping the lockout "consequence" until such time that you do get around to it.
As for avoiding the inevitable snowball .. what is your genius plan to solve that one .. datacores is nowhere near enough and the crippling (as in Greek debt agreement crippling) LP penalty + lockouts will turn the uphill struggle into a sheer rockface climb so people will more than likely opt for pulling up stakes.
PS: I have asked Hans to tell you, but have no confirmation that he registered it so here goes - Your pet economist has done good work making you more aware of how a market works (judging by decrease in major "whoopsies"), but you still seem to have problems handling the curious beast called human nature. May I recommend you look towards hiring/collaborating with an anthropologist, psychologist or someone similar who has a better understanding of what makes people tick?
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
87
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:24:00 -
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The benefits of snowballing are way too high for the belief in any other outcome to be irrational. Give the downtrodden a knife to put in the oppressors back .. !!
Petrus Blackshell wrote:Say what? Details? 
"Pending" is official speak for SoonGäó. CCP appears to have replaced Hans with a Stepford clone
PS: Check the stickies in 'Features & Ideas Discussion' |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.05.11 17:05:00 -
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Sarinat Talen wrote:...Higher market prices mean more profit for T2 BPO holders..
I ran that scenario in my super-computer brain and came up with 'null'. Datacores are a drop in the ocean when it comes to invention .. the one linchpin that exists (Mech. Eng.) CCP has already said they want to spread around .. diluting any effect the change might have had in the first place.
In short: One can quadruple datacore prices without affecting invention profits to any noticeable degree (unless things have changed a lot since I dabbled). |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
89
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Posted - 2012.05.12 08:53:00 -
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ModeratedToSilence wrote:Nice dev blog.
Makes FW look interesting and rewarding. Reading through thread I might get an alt to join amarr faction. Looks like there will be an absolute tonne of LP to gain from killing Minmatars.
Yeah, excellent plan. Now read the blog again .. LP-for-Kills is still pretty low and any LP you make will only be worth 25-33% of current thanks to the Shakorites snowballing the area, getting +20% on all LP earned and a 75% discount in their LP store.
You would make more LP running level 3 FW missions for Shakor than joining Amarr for plexing/killing purposes.
Vonlutt wrote:ITT lots of amarr tears. Give it a few months and Amarr will outnumber minmatar again like it does every Summer until Christmas. Quit crying.
The fall surge is almost purely PvP oriented which is a moot point as we have always been able to kill you lot even when outnumbered. Problem is that we have always needed 2-3x your numbers when it comes to plexing to keep pace due to NPC and geographical imbalances .. something that will be exasperated by being unable to dock anywhere in LS due to being snowballed .. the fall surge, were it to go plexing crazy, is not even close to providing the manpower to make up for the changes in the patch.
Quit crying you say .. crying not so much, but a majority of Amarr Militia will be quitting so half of those words were accurate. Have fun running missions in bombers ad nauseum and welcome to FarmVilleGäó Eve Edition.
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
89
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Posted - 2012.05.12 14:00:00 -
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Tiger's Spirit wrote:Its just not truth, i played both sides, at amarrian and matarr sides too (last time at amarrian side)
90% of Zero Heavy industres Ops is not alliance op.
0000's fleets have always been public unless it is a specific purpose fleet which as far as I can tell are very rare .. ever heard of Fleet of Lerv? Those were immensely popular open 0000 fleets running for the longest time.
Tiger's Spirit wrote:.. Other thing separated datacores will be balancing the numbers, because when there is no amarrian datacore their prices will be increasing, more pilots will be joining to amarrian milicia and vica-versa.
Except of course that once prices go high enough on the market, the more expensive cores available from the R&D agents suddenly become competitive on the market so there is no incentive to join a collapsed militia. Keep in mind that you'll have no stations to dock in at all once you enter FW space flying the banner of one of the collapsed .. have fun trying to survive long enough to accomplish anything of value - might be able to run in and a ninja a plex but then the LP gained is only worth 25% so why bother?
Tiger's Spirit wrote:Just as i told, i fought both sides i know what i'm talk about...
Certainly sounds like it ..
PS: PIE Inc. have had one corp fleet every two to four weeks some time ago (rest were open or not ours) and if anyone *known* asked they were generally allowed to tag along .. fleets themselves were closed but only to control intake and not for exclusivity.
Bad Messenger wrote:As minmatars are stupid they take all systems without rewards before patch. It is just good that they own all systems before expansion, then they can not farm lp from attack plexes 
That is one hell of an observation .. why the hell didn't I see that .. hahahahahahaha, they are silly indeed. I am glad there will no reset now, let them make their money like null carebears .. with nothing but empty space around them and only the occasional noob pirate/roam to keep their blood pumping. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
115
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Posted - 2012.05.18 18:45:00 -
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Cearain wrote:...Also are they going to fix the plexing bug before inferno launches? Or are the minmatar going to be able to roll into inferno with a huge advantage that was due in part to exploits?
Advantage, yes .. exploits, no. Shoddy mechanics and balance is what it is, pretty sure that were the shoe on the other foot "we" (still not I, for I am 'honest') would milk flaws for all it was worth. If you see someone intentionally using a bug (ie. exploit) then report them .. it is unfortunately all we can do. Personally gave up ages ago when repeat offenders kept flying around even after I provided visual proof within seconds of transgression.
If they manage to keep on schedule and complete Inferno roll-out in 4 months then we "may" have a level playing field for christmas .. albeit one where we will be striking out from high-sec |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
118
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Posted - 2012.05.20 08:05:00 -
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Vanessa Vansen wrote:Wait ... why? What's the in game explanation? How could or why would the R&D corps let that happen?
CCP stopped caring about such things a long time ago .. the fact that they have zero writers (chronicles being written by anyone with idea/time) on their roster speaks volumes. Eve is now a pure grind-fest MMO like all the themepark/hybrids on the market with no official support for the RPG element.
Why are you and others so concerned about the datacore change? Datacores are a minute part of the total cost of invention, the much larger 'cost' comes from the -ME of output .. especially when it comes to ship hulls. Datacores would have to increase in price by an unreasonable amount to create a noticeable T2 market tremor .. and the change will have been rolled back or watered down long before that happens.
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.05.20 13:58:00 -
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Vanessa Vansen wrote:I wouldn't mind as much as I do if there were no T2 BPOs.
Then it would affect each and everyone.
Like this it only worsens the profit of those who already have less profit, while T2 BPO owners will make more profit.
It might just be a small part of the profit but you have to stand up and say "NO" to changes that get implemented only because CCP likes it that way.
As I said, invention profits are restricted by the poor quality output which means far greater material costs for the end products.
BPO's have a lower profit margin than invention if you do the rational thing and count the pennies per hour spent rather than per run .. the fact that one can only ever build from that one print (copy time = build time) severely hampers the overall profits.
There is a reason why most BPO holders are also heavily invested in the invention part of things, higher quantity and insulated from market fluctuations due to diversity/ability to change gears.
If you are really concerned about invention lacking the competitive edge against BPO's, then support the various efforts to have CCP add a post-processing step to invention .. one where the ME/PE of the individual BPC can be improved by investing that most precious commodity: Time (and a smattering of ISK).
Try to run the numbers and see just how insane the difference is if the BPC's could be taken to a measly ME0 .. that is where the cash cow is pastured
In Short: You are barking up the wrong tree and/or using the wrong thread. It is better to bring the debate about BPO vs. Invention up in the industry thread which will arrive SoonGäó (ref: CSM summit topics). |
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